Cornfields for the Dumfound
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- Athrash | Talk 00:44, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Corny But True
How one lame discussion led to another... (to be continued) startling discovery... where a gaffe of seemingly historic proportions has been perpetuated at least since the 1914 Michell and Forbes translation of The Novgorod Chronicle. My genealogical DNA study R1a1 indicated a definite ancestral home in a specific West Slav area of northeast Germany. I investigated the history of the area, Wikipedia of course, my people. refuges from LGM, followed the reindeer. It is nice to go home, but horrors, medieval corn could not be one of their crops, that part, prehistory, being relegated to the other side of the family. I was interested primarily in the flax-growers, when I read, agriculture of corn and flax. Whoa, 1492, hey people, you can’t rewrite history. Response of editor in question: I copied from this one book source, but I don’t have it handy, just make it flax. Well, what did they eat besides animal products. I found that they were rich in grains. All right, what is this reference? Christiansen, Erik (1997). The Northern Crusades. London: Penguin Books, 287. ISBN 0-14-026653-4 – eight references to corn before 1482. Perused the whole first chapter on Amazon search and does not even list in the frontispiece the pagan leaders who started the House of Mecklenburg which endured until 1918, but does have the origin of corn, the NC of 1914. Determined, after mastering Deutschland, to start Russian studies, Wikipedia of course. Find online Russian NC, compare with PDF version of Michell and Forbes 1914. A footnote on Wikipedia calls the translation imperfect, why not fix it, academia. Corn can be oats in Scotland, wheat in England, barley in Europe, what about barleycorn in the Chronicle inserted in context, we'll see where the Russian leads in this agricultural maze. Hebrew in Genesis could not mean corn, bâr is a word for any grain. Wow. Ears of barley in Exodus confuse the matter.
Въ лѣто 6635 [1127]. Заложи церковь камяну святого Иоанна Всѣволодъ Новѣгородѣ, на Петрятинѣ дворѣ, въ имя сына своего. Въ то же лѣто паде метыль густъ по земли и по водѣ и по хоромомъ, по 2 нощи, а по 4 дни. Томь же лѣтѣ обложи трьпезницю камяну Антонъ игуменъ Новегородѣ. Томь же лѣтѣ вода бяше велика въ Волховѣ, а снѣгъ лежа до Яковля дни; а на осень уби 1. морозъ вьрьшь всю и озимицѣ; и бы голодъ и цересъ зиму, 2. ръжи осминка /л.12./ по полугривнѣ
Въ лѣто 6669 [1161]. Уладися Ростислав съ Андрѣемь о Новъгородъ, и вывѣдоста Мьстислава, Гюргевъ вънукъ, седевъшю ему годъ до года без недѣлѣ, а Святослава въвѣдоша опять на всѣи воли его, септября въ 28. Тъгда же отяшя посадницьство у Нѣжате, а Заха/л.32./рии даша. Томь же лѣтѣ стоя всѣ лѣто ведромь и пригорѣ всѣ 4. жито, а на осѣнь уби всю 3. ярь 1. морозъ. Еще же, за грѣхы наша, не то зло оставися, нъ пакы на зиму ста вся зима тепломь и дъжгемь, и громъ бысть; и купляхомъ кадку малую по 7 кунъ. О, велика скърбь бяше въ людьхъ и нужа.
Въ лѣто 6739 [1231]. Загорѣся от Матѣева двора от Вышковиця, и погорѣ вьсь коньць Славьньскыи оли и до конця Хълма, мимо святого Илию; нъ ублюде богъ святыхъ церквъ; нъ толми бяше лютъ пожаръ, яко по водѣ огнь горяше, ходя чрѣсъ Вълхово, всѣмъ людьмъ зрящимъ, и головъ нѣколико истопѣ въ Волховѣ. Того же лѣта откры богъ милосердие свое на нас грѣшныхъ, створи милость свою въскорѣ: прибѣгоша 6. Нѣмьци и-замория съ 4. житомь и 5. мукою...
В лЂто 6954 6 [1446]. Отпусти цесарь Махмет князя великого Василья на Рускую землю и взя на немъ окупа двЂстЂ тысяць рублевъ, а иное богъ вЂсть да онЂ. Того же лЂта начаша людие денгЂ хулити серебряныя, даже и всЂ новгородци другъ на друга смотря, и бысть межи ими голка и мятежь и нелюбовь; и посадник и тысячкыи и весь Новъгород уста... Того же лЂта, генваря въ 3, бысть облакъ тученосенъ и з дожгемъ, и паде вкупЂ 7. пшеница и 2. ръжи и 4. жито на полЂ и на лЂсЂ от града за 5 верстъ, вдале от Волховца и до МьстЂ рЂкЂ на 15 верстъ...
- Need a winter (rye) - Word No.1 in ru.wikipedia search = Grandfather Frost in en.wikipedia. Need to find frost again in year 1161 then grain.
- Need to find rye – No. 2 = actual rye. No. 3 = Jarilo My God(s) it is the Slavic God of Spring, result “spring and frost” in 1161, then back a few words, No. 4 = a seed, No. 2 and 7 are wikilinks of seed. in ru.wikipedia. Search No. 4 again, some kind of lexicon with one example showing жито (рожь) conclusion, No. 4 is a variation of No. 2 rye (not corn) on this site Северное наречие русского языка [1] in english Northern Russian Dialects.
- Year 1231 should read Nemsty tribe came with (gift) of corn and flour. The only friends of East Slavs would be my people West Slavs/Scandinavians. R1a1 maybe original Vikings and intermingled at Jumne with Wends, all germanized. I find my people, No. 6, the index 1914 NC has Nemsty = Germans. No. 5 = acorn picture, root of word twice at bottom of paragraph could be acorn flour. Second hit on Russian list with the shorter word = pictures of bread. Bingo, flour, No. 4 repeats, therefore grain (not corn) and flour. Strange, year 1446 has No. 7 (beautiful picture of green wheat) and No. 2 (rye) and No. 4 (corn).
Aw, shucks, the only mention of this anachronism on the internet was amazingly, Ilyana SCA, a woman “living” throwback style in 13th century Novgorod, dated 1998 Pennsylvania. Why was there no mention of barley in the chronicle, incredible under the circumstances, when the eminent authority Ilyana indicates barley was the spring planting. So, “spring corn” of year 1161 has to be barley, Russia, barley. Simple, the two English scholars in 1914 must have known that. They did not share my obsession with this cornucopia. Here, an early manifestation of John Barleycorn raises his fuzzy head under the extreme medieval religious mores of Novgorod, certainly, ale is a pagan rite in that regard and godless Litva is next-door. The Medieval Sourcebook is listed as main text (found two typos immediately) in at least 16 university history courses and they skipped over the NC corn pone years cited here, but slipped in 1311 when the Russians destroyed German (Finnish) “cornfields.” Analysis, citing (Wikia published) Cornfields for the Dumfound: that where church sponsored histories are biased as is the NC 1914 material, they can change history to allegory. The harvest (souls?) may be presented as bountiful even though every time there is an early frost in this vast marshland, the people starve, eating leaves, bark, moss, horse flesh and snails and the little ones lying in the streets are devoured by dogs. The chronicle reads, “Thus did our country perish on account of our sins.” Wait until next year, this cornucopia, when the Lord will bless. Then, bountiful as the cornfields of Matthew 12 (KJV), another allusion to harvest, somehow, passed on to Orthodoxy, spiritual corn is required because Jesus approved it. Bible by committee, we don’t want to go there. Would the Son of God harvesting grain be so hard to grasp? Suffice to say, William Tyndale is identified with the ears; ears of corn must have been all the rage with the plowboys just over thirty years after their discovery in the Caribbean, although "ere" in middle english means both ear and to plow. This tendency dominates the Pentateuch as well. Martyr Hugh Latimer adds to the 16th century cornucopia mentality: "O that our prelates would be as diligent to sow the corn of good doctrine as Satan is to sow cockle and darnel." Then, in the far reaches, "cokkel in oure clene corn," rings a bell, Chaucer, already, wheat, malt and grain to grind, no axe. More medieval corn, it's the King's English thing, Economic History report of 1979, "The Low Yields of Corn in Medieval England," mentioning wheat and oats. Mature ears cited once in Economic Botany report on history of wheat (Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew 1999). The terminology mix is mindboggling. November 17, TCM movie, I'm All Right Jack (1959), Peter Sellers in British comedy equates cornfields with visiting Russia. It never ends. Some might contend, a grain is a grain is a grain, but careless generalizations mock, and original research or not, it’s history, now.
Further review, various clues, the Russian word for barley, No. 8 Ячмень could have evolved and the English barleycorn is the key in my search, for korn, cornu (horn) has been a word for grain since 900 CE, could be used for barley but Russian equivalent is зерно according to dictionary.com. Found that the grain in Apothecary weight is the weight of a barleycorn (the actual kernel), therefore, ironically, a barleycorn of barley is a recognized grain by its weight, so I added the pharmacy maxim on Wikipedia and corrected an error there. Barleycorn studies start a new category on Wikipedia, wikipedia:Category:Articles that dumfound. The solution, equating 4. жито with the Russian equivalent of barleycorn on the Vanaja page and all other references to Novgorod 1914 would read "laid waste all the (barley)cornfields" or the above mentioned, "(barley)corn and flax," and yet arguments would ensue, me questioning eminent scholars citing my own dumfound-ed work. More reflection, there it is, the word in ru.wikipedia that I thought was "a seed" on the No. 4 page was зерно (kernel) of "any" cereal crop per Babelfish. Clues count, even in cyrillic, that short page again, many more grain names, conclusive evidence, на Севере России — ячмень, the word 4. жито in Northern Russia refers to No. 8 Ячмень, yes, spring barley, but an exercise in futility, N.I.V. required 450 years to get barley "headed," Exodus 9:31, still a brilliant idea for an e-book emerges. Thankfully for the R1a1 in me, Helmold in his basic Latin Slavic history (anno 994) uses the designation grain only, by now, the welcome generic “fair growing grain of divine religion” (HCS XV). I take refuge.
